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Hey everybody,
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it’s Eric alongside Rod to talk about
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Michigan State’s upcoming annual matchup
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against the Oakland Grizzlies in Little
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Caesars Arena on Saturday in Detroit.
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So it’s almost Christmas and a quiet week
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for the team.
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off limits obviously are
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Rod is going to maintain his anonymity.
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So, yes,
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he’s not going to come on video.
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But otherwise,
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everything else is pretty much fair game.
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We’ll certainly answer what we can.
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All right.
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So, Rod, let’s talk about, you should say,
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they’re playing Oakland for what,
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you know, it’s an annual matchup now.
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It always brings a couple staples.
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Hungry and feisty underdog.
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And a weird zone.
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And some ugly sweaters.
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And so, for now,
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Greg Campy has yet to beat Izzo.
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He’s O and .
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Which, you know,
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one imagines if you give enough
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opportunity to someone,
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they’re finally going to get you.
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And Oakland certainly had some chances and
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said close ones have gone overtime at
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least once against Michigan State.
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I think when Michigan State was even
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number one or one of the top teams
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in the country.
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But yet, have yet to pull it off.
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But you almost figure, I’m sure it does.
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I know Izzo kind of jokes about it
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a little bit,
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but I do think there’s some seriousness
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when he says that he’s a little worried
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He loses some sleep for this game because
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eventually someone’s going to beat you no
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matter how many times you play.
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I mean,
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it’s not like they’re playing a high
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school team.
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These are some really good players.
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So Oakland comes to the game.
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They’re six and six overall.
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They’ve already played two league games or
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two and oh in the horizon in a
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conference they’re expected to be very
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competitive and potentially win.
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They’ve been pretty good on offensively
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this year.
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They’re sitting at seventy six.
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In overall efficiency,
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they’re really good at turnover
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percentage.
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They’re only thirty first.
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They do not offensive rebound very well,
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though.
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That’s a huge weakness on the offensive
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end where they’re two hundred and seventy
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fifth.
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do shoot the three pretty well at their
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thirty four point eight percent although
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they don’t take them very often even
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probably less in michigan state they’re
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sub three hundred and three point field
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attempts to twos uh they’ve also not been
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great from two of course michigan state’s
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been even less than great uh they’re also
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not too great from the free throw line
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and overall they’re hundred and forty
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fifth in ken pom and i guess
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Of common opponents,
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they got just blitzed the first three
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games of the year.
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They had a crazy open of the season
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playing Michigan, Houston, and Purdue.
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They lost by a ton to Michigan and
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Houston by quite a bit as well.
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And then I think a ten-point,
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a little bit closer loss to Purdue
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Yeah,
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the ten-point loss of Purdue is a credit
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to them because I would say that’s by
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far the toughest of the three venues that
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they played in,
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but that was the closest game.
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Yeah, offense is carrying this team,
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and that’s how it’s been more often than
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not under Greg Campy,
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and it’s that way this year.
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If they’re going to compete at the top
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of the horizon,
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It’s going to be their offense that
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carries them.
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And as you mentioned,
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their overall efficiency is pretty good
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for Horizon League team.
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They don’t excel in any area except
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limiting their mistakes.
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You know,
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thirty first nationally is pretty good.
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The only real weakness is just terrible
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offensive rebounding.
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But everything else is OK and OK is
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good enough if everything is OK.
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So that’s that’s really the key to their
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success is offensive efficiency,
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such as it is.
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Yeah,
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and then if we go to the other
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side of the ball on the defensive end,
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not good.
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The zone has not worked as well this
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season as it does sometimes,
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and they are two hundred eighty first
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overall in defense,
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which is even for the Horizon League is
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not very good.
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They are
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One of the worst teams in America against
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the twos.
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So it’s almost like Michigan State’s
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playing a mirror image of Toledo.
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That was one of the worst teams against
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the two.
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Here’s another team.
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Three hundred forty second against two
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against the three.
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They’re better.
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Two hundred seventy first.
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But that’s still pretty bad.
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Defensive rebounding.
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They are pretty terrible to the two
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hundred fortieth defensive rebounding.
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And they almost never turn someone over at
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three hundred forty fifth.
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So in that sense,
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it’s different than Toledo.
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You know,
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one would expect the state would have a
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little less problems with that.
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The one thing good thing is they don’t
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foul.
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But again,
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you always wonder sometimes if your
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defense is this bad from twos and threes.
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If the reason you’re not fouling the
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twenty second in the country and not
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fouling and defense is because you’re not
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close enough to foul anyone.
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It’s really interesting to me that Greg
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Campy has continued to employ this
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approach because he says,
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and I think he’s only half kidding…
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that he doesn’t always know what they’re
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in defensively, but,
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but to be serious about it, it’s,
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it’s something that you really do need to
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get the hang of.
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And he seems to be increasingly in
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scenarios where he’s got largely
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overhauled rosters.
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That’s what he’s dealing with this year.
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He’s dealing with a lot of new guys.
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Now he’s always engaged in some of that.
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He was even under the old transfer rules
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where,
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Oakland was active in the transfer market,
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particularly at that time,
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they tended to be a landing spot for
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Michigan kids who had started off, say,
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at a high major and it didn’t quite
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work out.
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And then they’d come back to play locally
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and usually found success at Oakland.
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But he also had very strong high school
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recruiting for years,
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particularly in mid-Michigan.
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He was really good.
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Had a lot of good players from the
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state of Michigan.
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In fact,
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he had a kid on last year’s team,
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Blake Lampinen,
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who was on the MSU staff this year.
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Yeah.
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that seems to have gone by the boards
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in the last couple years and it’s and
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so i guess it shouldn’t be surprising that
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they’re having real problems defensively
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what does surprise me is that zone is
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so weird you would think they would force
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a few more turnovers just based on that
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based on teams not really recognizing what
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they’re looking at and getting
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discombobulated a bit because of it but
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That has not happened.
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As you say,
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the only strength is that they don’t foul
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people,
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but when you look at everything else,
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you really have to wonder,
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is that really a strength?
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And we’ve said that about a couple of
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other teams this year.
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Yeah,
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it might just be an indication that
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they’re not even close to being physical
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enough to be any good defensively.
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But the problems against twos and the
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defensive rebounding are huge, huge holes.
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You are not going to have success,
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certainly against big-time opponents,
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with numbers like the ones they’re
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trotting out.
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Yeah, it’s interesting.
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I mean,
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I think you could point out and say,
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well,
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if he’s going to have a new way
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of acquiring players or moving or there’s
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just less continuity and it just doesn’t
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work with the zone,
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they employ something else.
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I mean,
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you could just play just man of some
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sort and be simpler because everybody’s
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played man in their career.
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We probably will see some man.
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We probably will see some man in this
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game.
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I don’t think they’ve ever been a hundred
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percent zone.
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Right, right.
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But, but yeah.
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But but then, you know,
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you look at him, the team this year.
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I mean,
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they’re to know in the Horizon League.
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So on some level,
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as long as you’re successful within your
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league, whatever you’re doing,
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as long as it’s working, keep doing it.
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I mean, yeah,
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you’re not going to compete against the
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Purdue’s and Michigan’s and Houston’s the
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world.
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But you know what?
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You’re probably not going to no matter
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what you do,
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because you’re just not going to get the
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quality athletes.
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So, you know.
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And it is worth noting that those games
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came early and that I think there’s, yeah,
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they’ve won five of their last six.
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So they, which include two,
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those two league victories.
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So there is a feeling that they’re
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starting to get the hang of it.
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And I think they’re definitely a better
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team now than they were in the beginning
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of November,
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but the overall numbers are what they are.
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They’re, they’re pretty horrible.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then I was just so overall,
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they do play very fast.
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They’re on offense.
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They’re twenty seventh overall because
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mainly because I think they’re not
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defending very well to put some score
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quickly against them on offense.
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They’re one hundred twenty eighth.
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So fast on the fast side of the
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of the tempos.
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But they’re not like super fast.
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Yeah.
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And so the fact that teams are getting
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shots off very quickly against them and
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obviously having a lot of success when
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they do take shots and they’re not turning
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it over.
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So they’re getting shots off most
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possessions.
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That’s contributing to a large extent to
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the pace of play.
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Oakland’s always been a team that wasn’t
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afraid to play a little bit up-tempo.
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That’s kind of been their general MO under
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Campy, but this is being driven, I think,
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in part by something negative.
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as opposed to, yeah,
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they really want to play fast.
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It’s,
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it’s being driven by the fact that they
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can’t stop anybody.
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Yeah.
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A real problem.
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And you know, it also, of course,
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the fact that their defensive rebounding
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is so bad at a two hundred and
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fortieth out of, you know,
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three hundred and fifty teams,
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that’s going to make,
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you’re going to have faster possessions to
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usually because usually the putbacks are a
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lot quicker.
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And so anyway, it,
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it spells a lot of problems for them.
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It,
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Just kind of globally, this game,
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it happens every year.
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It goes back and forth.
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It’s at Breslin,
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and then they play at Little Caesars,
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which I think has been really great for
00:10:06.799 –> 00:10:07.259
Michigan State.
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It’s been great for Oakland.
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It’s a way for people to come out
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and see them as well.
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It’s a high-profile opportunity for them
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to showcase their program.
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which is, you know, for,
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we’ve talked about this before.
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They’re kind of stuck in the horizon at
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this point.
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It looks like there’s probably no way to
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get into the Mac.
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I wouldn’t expect the other Michigan Mac
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schools would be okay with that.
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I don’t think,
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I don’t think that the Mac would represent
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a step up.
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You know,
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horizon schools when they’ve left have not
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gone to the Mac.
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They’ve gone to,
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They’ve gone to places like the big East
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in Butler’s case or the Missouri Valley.
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Like Valpo.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Well, and I guess, you know, that’s,
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that’s always an option for Oakland.
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Yeah.
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Well, and I think, you know,
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it can’t be spin.
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He’s, has he been their only head coach?
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Did he, or at least when they were,
00:10:53.532 –> 00:10:54.712
he was their head,
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he’s their only head coach in division
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one.
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Right.
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So he took him from coach there when
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they were a D two school.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And they’ve kind of kept moving up.
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I think they were in the Ohio Valley
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for a while, I believe,
00:11:05.116 –> 00:11:05.798
is one of the other.
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Well, they were in the Summit League.
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They were in the Summit for a long
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time.
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That was the first league they were in
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when they went D-I.
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And then I don’t know how long it’s
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been since they transitioned to the
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Horizon.
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Probably a decade or so.
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But that was a big deal because that
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meant they were encroaching on U of D’s
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territory.
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right exactly but it also but it also
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gave them each a natural rival in the
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league so um yeah well this is one
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of those games i mean how how much
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credence you give to iso talking about the
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fact that he’s worried about this team i
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mean i do think he really does i
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mean they clearly respect each other they
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clearly enjoy each other’s company i mean
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there’s plenty of stories them you know
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hanging out in the offseason golfing
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occasionally um
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but this is a game that is what
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doesn’t have to do, but it’s,
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I guess it’s a way for him to,
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to put his team in front of lots
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of fans in the Detroit area every other
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year.
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And so that’s what Michigan state gets out
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of it besides just, you know,
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being a good guy.
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I think it’s, look,
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I think it’s a few things.
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I think that, um, you know,
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for a long time,
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I don’t think that when,
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when I was growing up,
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Michigan state used to regularly,
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they’d play U of D every year.
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And, um,
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they usually played the directional
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schools.
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You know,
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I remember them playing central Michigan a
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lot.
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Me too.
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And they would play Western and Eastern
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occasionally, but over the years,
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I think that they’re,
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there just started to be less affinity for
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those schools for U of D for sure.
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And you can trace that to Perry Watson
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and just go from there.
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We talked about it during the day,
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but even the max schools, you know,
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there were situations where those schools
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made hiring decisions,
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where they passed on Michigan state
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assistance and,
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for those jobs and so i just i
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think that that was part of it there
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were also historical connections between
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oh because oakland once upon a time was
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affiliated with michigan state as a
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university so there’s a connection there
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and then i think over time that
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relationship between ezzo and campy is
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strengthened to the point that they’re
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never not going to play them
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Yeah, well, I think that’s for sure.
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And again, for a long while,
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there really was a mid-Michigan element to
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it.
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Campy had a lot of guys who played
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at Sexton or Okemos or DeWitt or Haslett.
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A lot of guys.
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Right.
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Less so now, but, um,
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I think all those things were part of
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it and it’s just straight.
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And,
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and obviously I think as a likes the
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idea of once every two years coming down
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to little Caesars and playing a game, um,
00:14:00.381 –> 00:14:01.482
against Oakland, that’s.
00:14:02.663 –> 00:14:04.804
gives everybody, Oakland alums as well,
00:14:05.304 –> 00:14:07.424
a chance to see their team in that
00:14:07.485 –> 00:14:08.046
environment.
00:14:08.066 –> 00:14:09.206
So I think that’s part of it.
00:14:09.346 –> 00:14:13.206
But things have obviously changed now in
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recent years.
00:14:13.947 –> 00:14:17.668
You’ve got MSU guys at Eastern and Western
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and U of D.
00:14:18.447 –> 00:14:19.749
So the only place they don’t have one
00:14:19.808 –> 00:14:20.349
is Central.
00:14:21.349 –> 00:14:22.950
And that’s why you’ve seen them play those
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schools a little bit more recently.
00:14:24.950 –> 00:14:27.272
But I think Oakland, it’s just cemented.
00:14:27.552 –> 00:14:28.993
As long as those guys are running the
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programs,
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that’s going to be an annual thing.
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And when you ask, is he serious?
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Yeah, I believe him.
00:14:37.859 –> 00:14:38.418
I would be too.
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All he’s got to do is show people
00:14:41.100 –> 00:14:43.602
tape of the NCAA tournament two years ago
00:14:44.363 –> 00:14:45.543
where they beat Kentucky.
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You don’t have to go back that far.
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Now,
00:14:48.326 –> 00:14:50.047
do I think he’s got a Trey Townsend
00:14:50.126 –> 00:14:50.787
on this team?
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No.
00:14:55.291 –> 00:14:55.571
Is this a,
00:14:55.711 –> 00:14:57.592
is this a decent Oakland team?
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Sure.
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Especially offensively.
00:15:00.397 –> 00:15:03.441
They’ve got enough that you don’t have to
00:15:03.581 –> 00:15:06.264
squint too hard to see a scenario where
00:15:06.323 –> 00:15:06.544
boy,
00:15:06.565 –> 00:15:07.865
they just play a little bit out of
00:15:07.885 –> 00:15:10.188
their minds and they can hang in the
00:15:10.229 –> 00:15:10.570
game.
00:15:11.230 –> 00:15:11.590
Again,
00:15:11.629 –> 00:15:13.631
they’ve had more talented teams than this
00:15:13.792 –> 00:15:13.871
one.
00:15:13.912 –> 00:15:14.111
I mean,
00:15:14.152 –> 00:15:17.033
if you go back ten years ago,
00:15:17.474 –> 00:15:18.414
fifteen years ago,
00:15:19.115 –> 00:15:21.557
I think he had a couple NBA players
00:15:21.576 –> 00:15:22.417
during that time.
00:15:23.837 –> 00:15:25.438
I don’t think he’s got any of that
00:15:25.499 –> 00:15:26.038
this year,
00:15:26.460 –> 00:15:28.360
but I know he likes his team.
00:15:28.380 –> 00:15:29.841
He had said that before the season.
00:15:30.381 –> 00:15:32.623
that he thought they could contend in the
00:15:32.643 –> 00:15:33.224
horizon.
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And, you know, so far so good.
00:15:34.644 –> 00:15:36.926
They’re two and oh, so yeah,
00:15:37.046 –> 00:15:39.528
I think as those taking it seriously and,
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and let’s put it this way,
00:15:41.048 –> 00:15:41.928
the last two games,
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Michigan state’s played them,
00:15:43.129 –> 00:15:44.490
but anything right home about,
00:15:45.071 –> 00:15:46.993
so the game will better be taken
00:15:47.072 –> 00:15:47.732
seriously.
00:15:48.393 –> 00:15:50.355
If for no other reason than they need
00:15:50.695 –> 00:15:53.356
a full forty minute performance that,
00:15:54.837 –> 00:15:55.097
you know,
00:15:55.138 –> 00:15:57.658
leaves everybody feeling about things
00:15:57.698 –> 00:15:58.600
going into Christmas.
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Yeah, absolutely.
00:16:01.452 –> 00:16:01.994
And I guess, you know,
00:16:02.014 –> 00:16:03.533
the other thing that’s obvious,
00:16:03.573 –> 00:16:05.815
which you sort of alluded to in some
00:16:05.855 –> 00:16:06.195
ways, you know,
00:16:06.215 –> 00:16:07.335
the fact that they’ve gotten to know each
00:16:07.375 –> 00:16:07.995
other over the years.
00:16:08.056 –> 00:16:09.216
But I think the fact that you have
00:16:09.235 –> 00:16:11.096
a stable program in Oakland with the same
00:16:11.136 –> 00:16:12.116
coach for so many years,
00:16:12.596 –> 00:16:14.398
you don’t have any other in-state schools
00:16:14.418 –> 00:16:14.817
like that.
00:16:14.898 –> 00:16:16.618
I mean, any other in-state schools.
00:16:17.119 –> 00:16:18.458
And so that makes it easy to sort
00:16:18.479 –> 00:16:20.259
of continue, you know, that relationship.
00:16:20.279 –> 00:16:21.200
You can’t find…
00:16:21.419 –> 00:16:23.442
Try and find two schools that each have
00:16:23.461 –> 00:16:24.982
a guy who’s been there more than thirty
00:16:25.023 –> 00:16:25.443
years.
00:16:25.624 –> 00:16:26.764
Well, that doesn’t exist.
00:16:27.485 –> 00:16:28.405
Doesn’t exist.
00:16:28.826 –> 00:16:29.246
So, yeah,
00:16:29.287 –> 00:16:31.249
they have a very unique situation.
00:16:31.509 –> 00:16:32.809
And I think it’s great.
00:16:32.889 –> 00:16:33.049
I mean,
00:16:33.090 –> 00:16:35.511
I think most Michigan State fans kind of
00:16:35.552 –> 00:16:38.173
feel an affinity for Oakland unless
00:16:38.214 –> 00:16:39.535
they’re playing Michigan State.
00:16:39.775 –> 00:16:40.937
I know I do.
00:16:41.197 –> 00:16:41.496
Oh, yeah.
00:16:41.576 –> 00:16:43.099
I was I was thrilled to see them
00:16:43.139 –> 00:16:44.539
do what they did two years ago.
00:16:44.639 –> 00:16:44.860
Yeah.
00:16:44.879 –> 00:16:44.960
Yeah.
00:16:46.140 –> 00:16:46.841
Especially against Kentucky.
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I mean, everyone likes to see Kentucky.
00:16:48.081 –> 00:16:48.601
Sure.
00:16:48.822 –> 00:16:49.422
Wildcat fan.
00:16:50.123 –> 00:16:50.962
And they were competitive.
00:16:50.982 –> 00:16:51.342
I’m trying.
00:16:51.623 –> 00:16:53.163
I can’t remember who they lost to in
00:16:53.203 –> 00:16:54.043
the second round,
00:16:54.063 –> 00:16:55.745
but they were competitive in that game.
00:16:56.284 –> 00:16:56.504
Yeah.
00:16:56.524 –> 00:16:56.846
For most,
00:16:56.985 –> 00:16:58.225
I feel like until like the last few
00:16:58.265 –> 00:16:59.606
minutes and they just sort of faded away.
00:16:59.667 –> 00:17:00.447
But yeah,
00:17:00.506 –> 00:17:01.628
I can’t remember who the guy was.
00:17:01.648 –> 00:17:02.947
He just was hitting those threes and
00:17:02.988 –> 00:17:04.648
conscious against Kentucky.
00:17:04.689 –> 00:17:04.909
Yeah.
00:17:05.536 –> 00:17:10.503
Oh, um, Jack, uh, yeah, his last name.
00:17:10.544 –> 00:17:11.144
It was Jack though.
00:17:11.404 –> 00:17:12.046
But yeah, you’re right.
00:17:12.066 –> 00:17:14.189
They had him and they had Trey Townsend
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who obviously MSU had interest in ended up
00:17:16.412 –> 00:17:17.594
in Arizona last year.
00:17:18.094 –> 00:17:20.096
So they had some real players on that
00:17:20.136 –> 00:17:20.397
team.
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All right,
00:17:23.805 –> 00:17:26.205
so that brings us to the Brother’s Gesture
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Gutters.
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I mentioned I was on vacation looking at
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gutters.
00:17:29.645 –> 00:17:30.366
My wife was teasing me.
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But it is important to make sure you
00:17:32.247 –> 00:17:33.186
have good gutters working.
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I’ve looked at mine.
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We’ve got tons of snow coming down.
00:17:35.928 –> 00:17:37.268
It’s nice having them working so that the
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water gets diverted away from my house.
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I don’t have to worry about it.
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So make sure you contact the Brother’s
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Gesture Gutters.
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If you’ve got problems with your gutters,
00:17:43.368 –> 00:17:44.390
maybe they need to get cleaned out.
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Maybe you just need a leaf guard.
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Maybe you want something to help melt the
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ice on it so you don’t have icicles
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hanging down your roof.
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Make sure that’s all functioning properly,
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whether it’s your home or your business.
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You get ten percent off.
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You mentioned final four when you get your
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estimate from either Kurt or Greg,
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depending on which side of the state
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you’re on.
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You find our information on contact them
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at our support page at TFF.
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I know TS dot com slash support.
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Remember,
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they’re still out there even in this
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weather.
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They’re up there all the time,
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all year long, even when you well,
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you think I always recommend you stay off
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ladders unless you absolutely have to get
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on one.
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But for this sort of thing,
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let those guys take care of it for
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they’re going to do much better job.
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And so they sponsor the player that each
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state needs to keep in the gutter.
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And we’ll go through that as soon as
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we get through the lineup for Oakland.
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We’ll begin with Brody Robinson, a five,
00:18:27.855 –> 00:18:30.017
eleven senior came from UT Arlington,
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was a Chattanooga before that averaging
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sixteen point three points a game on forty
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five,
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thirty seven and seventy three shooting.
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Also averaging six assists per game on a
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three to one assist turnover ratio,
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averaging eight free throw attempts a
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game.
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So this is a guy who I mean,
00:18:45.148 –> 00:18:46.390
he’s clearly one of the better players.
00:18:47.682 –> 00:18:47.862
Yeah,
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it’s going to be a challenge for Jeremy
00:18:50.003 –> 00:18:50.483
Fierce.
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You know, smaller guard,
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but when you see that he can do
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damage as a shooter,
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he also obviously is able to get into
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the lane because he’s shooting eight free
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throw attempts a game.
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And he’s also spraying the ball to
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teammates.
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Very impressive numbers.
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And, you know,
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it’s been a while since Campy’s had a
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real high level.
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Like that team two years ago,
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Didn’t have,
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I don’t think like elite point guard play.
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He’s had years where he’s had that.
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And so Robinson has been pretty damn good.
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I would think he’s got to stack up
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as one of the better point guards in
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that league.
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And yeah, it’ll be a challenge for MSU.
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Certainly one of the reasons they’re going
00:19:36.465 –> 00:19:38.009
to be competitive in the horizon.
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Next is Zyre Wells, six,
00:19:39.872 –> 00:19:42.317
six senior transfer from D two averaging
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ten point one points a game,
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five point one rebounds a game shooting
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fifty thirty one and seventy five.
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Yeah, they don’t start really.
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Robinson is really the only true guard
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that starts.
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But Wells has been solid.
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You know,
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he’s giving them decent scoring
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production.
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He’s rebounding well.
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Got good size on the wing at six
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six.
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So he’ll present some challenges from that
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perspective.
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And then we have another transfer into the
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D one realm.
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That’s Isaac Garrett, six,
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nine junior coming from Juco.
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This year he’s averaging fifteen point two
00:20:18.567 –> 00:20:19.207
points a game,
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almost seven rebounds a game,
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shooting fifty five,
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fifteen and seventy six.
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But not the three point threat’s not a
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big deal.
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He’s only tried thirteen.
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Yeah, and he’s only made two.
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So Garrett,
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not a guy you expect to do a
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lot of damage outside the arc.
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But again, a small forward who goes six,
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nine to fifteen,
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that creates some issues because of his
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size.
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And he’s been very effective inside the
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arc.
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Next, we have Michael Hooge, six, seven,
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two to thirty pound transfer,
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former Detroit or native Detroit,
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I should say.
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He’s transferring from Jacksonville State.
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He averaged fifteen points a game,
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five rebounds a game, shooting fifty nine,
00:21:03.813 –> 00:21:05.576
twenty five and eighty five.
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Yeah,
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the twenty five percent is just one for
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four.
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So, again, right.
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Not not a three point threat.
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You mentioned this is not a team that
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takes a lot of threes.
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And when you look at the number of
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attempts for several of the guys in the
00:21:17.703 –> 00:21:18.443
starting lineup,
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you see that that’s the case.
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But again,
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fifteen and five and almost sixty percent
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from the floor,
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eighty five percent of the line.
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Those are good numbers.
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So, yeah, a little bit undersized at six,
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seven.
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But he’ll present some challenges for
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Michigan State at the four spot.
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and to show you how different things are
00:21:38.615 –> 00:21:40.237
though for oakland and i’ve alluded to
00:21:40.277 –> 00:21:43.239
this in our discussion to date this is
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the only guy who’s a native of michigan
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in the starting lineup and he didn’t
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really grow up here he’s born here but
00:21:51.703 –> 00:21:53.184
he played his high school basketball in
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tennessee in chattanooga so um yeah so
00:21:57.186 –> 00:22:00.028
it’s not the way it normally has been
00:22:00.068 –> 00:22:00.568
for oakland
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And finally, for the stars,
00:22:03.210 –> 00:22:06.275
we have Tuburu Naivalarua, six, eight,
00:22:06.295 –> 00:22:07.396
two and a forty pound senior.
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He’s in his third season yet at Oakland,
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where he’s averaging a little under
00:22:10.402 –> 00:22:11.423
thirteen points a game,
00:22:12.003 –> 00:22:13.125
almost six rebounds a game,
00:22:13.145 –> 00:22:14.047
shooting forty eight,
00:22:14.188 –> 00:22:15.971
twenty eight and sixty eight from the
00:22:16.010 –> 00:22:16.191
line.
00:22:16.916 –> 00:22:17.136
Yeah,
00:22:17.477 –> 00:22:21.798
really the only guy in the regular
00:22:21.838 –> 00:22:22.878
rotation, at least,
00:22:22.919 –> 00:22:25.740
that has anything close to high major
00:22:25.779 –> 00:22:26.160
size.
00:22:26.180 –> 00:22:26.700
And even there,
00:22:26.720 –> 00:22:29.060
he’s a little short for the position at
00:22:29.121 –> 00:22:29.701
six, eight.
00:22:29.761 –> 00:22:32.722
But, you know, he’s an experienced player.
00:22:32.762 –> 00:22:34.843
He’s the one guy who’s been around,
00:22:34.903 –> 00:22:35.844
been in the system,
00:22:36.743 –> 00:22:38.044
and is having a nice year.
00:22:38.064 –> 00:22:38.285
I mean,
00:22:38.305 –> 00:22:41.105
thirteen and six solid shooting numbers.
00:22:41.145 –> 00:22:42.306
He’s delivering for them.
00:22:43.955 –> 00:22:45.317
Moving then on to reserves,
00:22:45.336 –> 00:22:46.518
we begin with Brett White,
00:22:46.618 –> 00:22:48.539
six-six senior transfer from NAIA
00:22:48.601 –> 00:22:49.601
Rochester Christian.
00:22:50.561 –> 00:22:51.784
Came from Battle Creek Central.
00:22:51.963 –> 00:22:53.444
He’s averaging a little under eight points
00:22:53.464 –> 00:22:55.907
a game and a little under three rebounds
00:22:55.928 –> 00:22:57.148
a game, shooting forty four,
00:22:57.409 –> 00:22:59.111
thirty nine and forty six with most of
00:22:59.131 –> 00:23:00.352
his attempts outside the arc.
00:23:00.955 –> 00:23:01.135
Yeah,
00:23:01.195 –> 00:23:02.637
eighty five percent of his attempts
00:23:02.698 –> 00:23:04.699
approximately come from three.
00:23:04.759 –> 00:23:06.780
So White is the one guy in this
00:23:06.840 –> 00:23:10.664
lineup that you look at and and expect
00:23:10.704 –> 00:23:13.126
him to be bombs away.
00:23:13.207 –> 00:23:15.628
Like that’s that’s a guy whose whole role
00:23:16.088 –> 00:23:18.632
is shoot the three terms of offense.
00:23:18.652 –> 00:23:19.491
It’s interesting to see.
00:23:20.673 –> 00:23:22.192
a guy from battle Creek central,
00:23:22.212 –> 00:23:23.513
because that’s a,
00:23:23.554 –> 00:23:27.934
that’s a high school program that for a
00:23:28.035 –> 00:23:30.875
lot of my life was an elite program
00:23:30.895 –> 00:23:31.536
in this state.
00:23:31.596 –> 00:23:33.496
In fact, Michigan,
00:23:33.635 –> 00:23:35.297
one of a guy who played at Michigan
00:23:35.317 –> 00:23:35.596
state,
00:23:35.636 –> 00:23:37.837
David Hart in the early nineties was a
00:23:37.857 –> 00:23:39.958
battle Creek central guy, Kenyon Murray,
00:23:39.998 –> 00:23:44.479
who was a star at Iowa and bigger
00:23:44.519 –> 00:23:47.380
contribution, maybe produced two sons, uh,
00:23:47.559 –> 00:23:50.201
who were even bigger stars at Iowa, but,
00:23:50.281 –> 00:23:50.422
uh,
00:23:50.521 –> 00:23:52.262
Kenya Murray was a battle Creek central
00:23:52.303 –> 00:23:52.502
guy.
00:23:52.782 –> 00:23:54.084
They were just a really, really,
00:23:54.124 –> 00:23:55.065
really good program.
00:23:55.224 –> 00:23:56.444
And you don’t,
00:23:57.105 –> 00:23:58.787
you don’t hear that much about them
00:23:58.846 –> 00:24:01.628
anymore on the, on a statewide level.
00:24:01.669 –> 00:24:02.788
So it was interesting to me to see
00:24:02.828 –> 00:24:05.971
a guy playing D one, um,
00:24:06.010 –> 00:24:06.852
from that high school,
00:24:06.892 –> 00:24:08.813
but he had to take a detour through
00:24:08.833 –> 00:24:10.534
an NAIA program to get there.
00:24:12.107 –> 00:24:12.188
Well,
00:24:12.208 –> 00:24:13.749
we’re seeing that certainly a lot more.
00:24:13.910 –> 00:24:16.090
And Battle Creek, I think,
00:24:16.551 –> 00:24:18.492
has changed certainly demographically and
00:24:19.074 –> 00:24:20.214
probably even population-wise,
00:24:20.275 –> 00:24:21.855
I would say, from when we were kids.
00:24:22.676 –> 00:24:23.498
Then Coy Thurman,
00:24:23.617 –> 00:24:25.318
six-one junior Juco transfer,
00:24:25.538 –> 00:24:27.080
averaging a little under two points a game
00:24:27.740 –> 00:24:28.842
and plays about ten minutes.
00:24:29.162 –> 00:24:30.864
He’s shooting thirty-three and fifty and
00:24:30.884 –> 00:24:31.384
fifty-seven,
00:24:31.825 –> 00:24:33.026
obviously averaging two points a game.
00:24:33.566 –> 00:24:34.547
Limited volume for all those.
00:24:35.153 –> 00:24:37.394
Yeah, not, not contributing a ton,
00:24:37.434 –> 00:24:39.234
but a little bit of relief at the
00:24:39.295 –> 00:24:39.615
point.
00:24:39.694 –> 00:24:41.536
He’s really the only other true guard
00:24:41.576 –> 00:24:44.916
besides Robinson that they have.
00:24:44.936 –> 00:24:46.257
Then we have Warren Marshall, six,
00:24:46.297 –> 00:24:47.957
six registered freshmen, uh,
00:24:48.076 –> 00:24:49.317
wing from brother rice.
00:24:50.478 –> 00:24:51.218
He is, uh,
00:24:52.078 –> 00:24:53.179
playing about ten minutes a game,
00:24:53.259 –> 00:24:54.798
averaging three point three points game
00:24:55.098 –> 00:24:55.920
shooting, forty eight,
00:24:56.119 –> 00:24:57.420
thirty three and eighty three.
00:24:58.266 –> 00:24:58.726
Yeah,
00:24:58.746 –> 00:25:00.508
Warren Marshall was considered to be a
00:25:00.567 –> 00:25:03.809
very good get for Oakland out of the
00:25:03.829 –> 00:25:04.470
high school ranks.
00:25:05.471 –> 00:25:07.912
It kind of was a throwback to what
00:25:08.012 –> 00:25:09.353
I had been talking about earlier where
00:25:09.373 –> 00:25:10.974
they really used to do well.
00:25:11.775 –> 00:25:14.257
They kind of became the school of choice
00:25:14.737 –> 00:25:16.577
for those in-state guys who wanted to
00:25:16.617 –> 00:25:20.840
stick around locally but weren’t quite
00:25:20.861 –> 00:25:22.362
good enough to get a Big Ten offer.
00:25:24.242 –> 00:25:25.503
They haven’t had a lot of those in
00:25:25.564 –> 00:25:26.125
recent years,
00:25:26.184 –> 00:25:27.685
but he definitely was one of those
00:25:27.746 –> 00:25:28.026
players.
00:25:28.705 –> 00:25:30.547
absolutely a guy like the last game with
00:25:30.567 –> 00:25:32.888
Toledo we talked about Sonny Wilson in
00:25:32.929 –> 00:25:34.589
particular and then Izzo talked about it
00:25:34.609 –> 00:25:37.692
in the post game that he alluded to
00:25:37.711 –> 00:25:38.892
what I was talking about hey he was
00:25:38.912 –> 00:25:41.314
a guy they looked at you know and
00:25:41.453 –> 00:25:43.375
ended up at Toledo and has a very
00:25:43.414 –> 00:25:46.195
good career Marshall was probably in a
00:25:46.297 –> 00:25:48.617
similar spot he hasn’t yet had that
00:25:48.678 –> 00:25:50.959
breakout he suffered an injury last year
00:25:51.920 –> 00:25:53.500
only played in the first three games and
00:25:53.520 –> 00:25:54.681
then he was done so he took a
00:25:54.721 –> 00:25:55.221
red shirt
00:25:56.142 –> 00:25:57.963
He’s earning ten minutes a game so far
00:25:58.003 –> 00:26:00.546
this season, but there’s potential there.
00:26:01.086 –> 00:26:02.867
I will be surprised if Warren Marshall
00:26:02.948 –> 00:26:05.450
isn’t eventually a really good player for
00:26:05.509 –> 00:26:05.830
Oakland.
00:26:05.851 –> 00:26:07.211
He’s just not quite there yet.
00:26:08.856 –> 00:26:11.118
And finally, we have Nate Deer, six, ten,
00:26:11.138 –> 00:26:11.919
two hundred forty pounds,
00:26:11.939 –> 00:26:13.359
senior transfer from Texas State.
00:26:14.101 –> 00:26:16.323
That’s Dom’s bracket,
00:26:16.343 –> 00:26:17.123
Dom’s stomping grounds.
00:26:17.723 –> 00:26:19.045
He’s only averaging five minutes a game
00:26:20.185 –> 00:26:22.086
and he’s averaging one point two points a
00:26:22.126 –> 00:26:23.647
game and one point six rebounds a game
00:26:23.667 –> 00:26:25.388
shooting fifty six from the floor and
00:26:25.829 –> 00:26:26.851
twenty five percent from line,
00:26:26.871 –> 00:26:28.251
which I assume is one for four for
00:26:28.271 –> 00:26:28.612
the season.
00:26:29.078 –> 00:26:29.419
Yeah.
00:26:30.099 –> 00:26:31.859
Uh, he’s also seen a,
00:26:31.900 –> 00:26:33.941
did not play in three games this season,
00:26:34.040 –> 00:26:35.061
but I,
00:26:35.362 –> 00:26:36.903
I have a feeling we’ll see him just
00:26:36.942 –> 00:26:40.243
because he’s actually got size and against
00:26:40.284 –> 00:26:41.104
Michigan state.
00:26:41.845 –> 00:26:42.884
You’re probably, it would,
00:26:43.105 –> 00:26:44.266
it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
00:26:44.306 –> 00:26:46.606
If we see him, you know, eight minutes,
00:26:46.666 –> 00:26:47.707
ten minutes, that kind of thing,
00:26:47.747 –> 00:26:48.748
just out of necessity.
00:26:50.259 –> 00:26:50.479
Right.
00:26:51.540 –> 00:26:52.663
Uh,
00:26:52.722 –> 00:26:54.244
and that brings us to the play that
00:26:54.265 –> 00:26:55.366
Michigan state needs to keep in the gutter
00:26:55.646 –> 00:26:56.788
brought to you by the brothers at just
00:26:56.828 –> 00:26:57.289
two years.
00:26:57.730 –> 00:26:59.472
Who do you think Michigan state needs to
00:26:59.492 –> 00:26:59.973
keep in the gutter?
00:27:00.648 –> 00:27:00.909
Well,
00:27:01.210 –> 00:27:02.671
another game and we’re choosing another
00:27:02.750 –> 00:27:03.251
point guard.
00:27:03.311 –> 00:27:04.472
Brody Robinson, I think,
00:27:04.532 –> 00:27:05.835
is a pretty obvious choice.
00:27:06.234 –> 00:27:07.396
He’s their leading scorer.
00:27:07.777 –> 00:27:09.278
He’s their leading assist guy.
00:27:10.359 –> 00:27:12.182
He really makes the whole thing go for
00:27:12.201 –> 00:27:12.481
them.
00:27:13.123 –> 00:27:16.026
And I think it would be they’ve got
00:27:16.086 –> 00:27:17.847
some other guys that are scoring well.
00:27:18.348 –> 00:27:18.828
But to me,
00:27:18.888 –> 00:27:20.852
Robinson is clearly their most important
00:27:20.892 –> 00:27:21.051
guy.
00:27:21.778 –> 00:27:23.839
right it’ll be nice to see jeremy come
00:27:23.880 –> 00:27:26.522
out and actually uh deliver for a guy
00:27:26.564 –> 00:27:28.346
who is so good at stopping people really
00:27:28.405 –> 00:27:30.468
earlier this year even just sort of he’s
00:27:30.508 –> 00:27:32.931
kind of fallen off and inexplicably as far
00:27:32.951 –> 00:27:34.352
as i can tell he needs he needs
00:27:34.372 –> 00:27:35.713
a good defensive game yeah
00:27:37.628 –> 00:27:39.230
So who cleans the glass best brought to
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OK, so right now,
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as it stands in the competition,
00:28:31.528 –> 00:28:33.009
you are up six to four.
00:28:34.090 –> 00:28:35.372
And you get to choose first.
00:28:35.471 –> 00:28:36.913
I can only imagine who you’re going to
00:28:36.952 –> 00:28:37.133
pick.
00:28:37.593 –> 00:28:38.453
Jackson Kohler.
00:28:39.874 –> 00:28:40.335
Shocking.
00:28:40.795 –> 00:28:41.214
All right.
00:28:41.515 –> 00:28:43.276
So I’m going to obviously go with Cooper.
00:28:44.297 –> 00:28:47.357
And then this is truly a wild card
00:28:47.638 –> 00:28:48.759
as far as who to go.
00:28:49.219 –> 00:28:51.240
And I feel like now it’s even more
00:28:51.340 –> 00:28:54.342
open than it was even last pick.
00:28:54.402 –> 00:28:55.603
I think there are even more choices that
00:28:55.843 –> 00:28:56.442
they can go with,
00:28:57.223 –> 00:28:58.924
which almost makes me wonder if Cooper’s
00:28:58.964 –> 00:28:59.545
the right choice.
00:28:59.625 –> 00:29:00.685
I’m not saying I’m not going to go
00:29:00.705 –> 00:29:02.006
with Cooper because I think he’s probably
00:29:02.027 –> 00:29:02.267
the most…
00:29:03.007 –> 00:29:05.367
consistently number two rebounder if you
00:29:05.387 –> 00:29:07.548
had to pick someone uh but i think
00:29:07.568 –> 00:29:08.970
there are definitely games where you can
00:29:09.170 –> 00:29:10.911
find two other players who have more than
00:29:10.951 –> 00:29:12.372
him that you can make a have a
00:29:12.392 –> 00:29:15.292
better combination and uh give yourself a
00:29:15.313 –> 00:29:18.714
chance at least to to pass cooler but
00:29:19.474 –> 00:29:21.675
as it stands i’ll say cooper and then
00:29:22.756 –> 00:29:24.196
i feel like it again doesn’t almost
00:29:24.217 –> 00:29:25.837
doesn’t matter who i pick but i’m going
00:29:25.897 –> 00:29:25.998
to
00:29:27.797 –> 00:29:29.759
I’m going to go with McCullough.
00:29:29.838 –> 00:29:30.900
I think, well,
00:29:31.461 –> 00:29:32.342
it’s either McCullough or Ward.
00:29:32.362 –> 00:29:33.222
I think I’m going to go with,
00:29:33.363 –> 00:29:36.226
I’ll go with, I’ll go with Ward.
00:29:36.306 –> 00:29:37.948
I think he’s going to get, he’s getting,
00:29:37.968 –> 00:29:39.849
he’ll be even more comfortable than he was
00:29:39.890 –> 00:29:40.250
before,
00:29:40.309 –> 00:29:41.652
but I think you can go with McCullough
00:29:41.692 –> 00:29:42.231
as well.
00:29:42.792 –> 00:29:42.972
Yeah.
00:29:43.012 –> 00:29:43.554
Cooper and Ward.
00:29:44.974 –> 00:29:45.556
All right.
00:29:45.576 –> 00:29:46.717
I’m going to, uh,
00:29:48.118 –> 00:29:49.339
I’m going to go with Cohen car.
00:29:53.071 –> 00:29:54.051
Very reasonable choice.
00:29:56.613 –> 00:30:00.193
I think he’s always been in our top
00:30:00.233 –> 00:30:01.434
four, much like Kohler and Cooper.
00:30:01.474 –> 00:30:03.355
I think those three have been there every
00:30:03.394 –> 00:30:03.694
time.
00:30:04.276 –> 00:30:05.395
And it’s just been sort of that fourth
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spot that sort of jumped around from
00:30:07.616 –> 00:30:08.457
different person to person.
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I’ve got nice quarters up here.
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I don’t know if this is a pullover
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or something like that.
00:31:09.382 –> 00:31:10.662
I’m not sure.
00:31:10.721 –> 00:31:10.982
Anyway,
00:31:11.442 –> 00:31:12.703
let’s go through the keys of the game.
00:31:13.463 –> 00:31:15.566
Number one is zone offense.
00:31:15.885 –> 00:31:17.467
Because we all know that Michigan State
00:31:17.487 –> 00:31:18.367
can’t play against the zone.
00:31:18.387 –> 00:31:19.808
They’re just hopeless when it comes to the
00:31:19.828 –> 00:31:22.770
zone.
00:31:22.790 –> 00:31:23.612
Tug of cheek, of course.
00:31:26.860 –> 00:31:27.100
Yeah,
00:31:27.541 –> 00:31:31.164
it’s not so much that this is going
00:31:31.184 –> 00:31:34.766
to prepare you for future games because
00:31:36.708 –> 00:31:37.849
Oakland’s zone is weird,
00:31:37.869 –> 00:31:38.850
as we’ve talked about it.
00:31:39.230 –> 00:31:40.611
It kind of looks like a matchup at
00:31:40.651 –> 00:31:41.072
times.
00:31:41.132 –> 00:31:42.613
It kind of looks like a three-two at
00:31:42.673 –> 00:31:43.153
times.
00:31:43.774 –> 00:31:45.395
Nobody else plays it the way they do.
00:31:45.815 –> 00:31:47.817
So you’re not going to get anything…
00:31:49.258 –> 00:31:50.739
going for that’s going to be a value
00:31:50.779 –> 00:31:53.181
going forward necessarily but it’s just
00:31:53.241 –> 00:31:56.303
about making sure that you actually are
00:31:56.323 –> 00:31:58.164
able to win this game and win it
00:31:58.244 –> 00:32:01.507
the way you want to uh frequently against
00:32:01.547 –> 00:32:03.868
matchup zones because of the nature of it
00:32:04.529 –> 00:32:07.471
it it almost looks to the naked eye
00:32:07.531 –> 00:32:08.411
like switching
00:32:09.512 –> 00:32:11.014
like switching man defense.
00:32:11.074 –> 00:32:12.315
And so because of that,
00:32:12.835 –> 00:32:14.837
because it shares some principles with
00:32:14.917 –> 00:32:18.761
man, you can usually run man offense,
00:32:18.801 –> 00:32:22.564
which means you can see pick and roll
00:32:23.005 –> 00:32:25.067
against it, for example.
00:32:25.587 –> 00:32:27.409
You can run other man, you know,
00:32:27.489 –> 00:32:30.371
motion-type sets and have it work.
00:32:30.391 –> 00:32:32.994
So I wouldn’t be surprised CMSU do a
00:32:33.034 –> 00:32:33.754
lot of that.
00:32:35.496 –> 00:32:37.818
You know, the other thing is you can’t,
00:32:38.919 –> 00:32:41.601
regardless of how much of it they’re
00:32:41.641 –> 00:32:42.542
playing, et cetera,
00:32:42.943 –> 00:32:44.304
the big thing for Michigan State is they
00:32:44.324 –> 00:32:45.925
can’t let themselves get taken out of
00:32:45.965 –> 00:32:46.226
rhythm.
00:32:47.246 –> 00:32:49.727
If you look at how opponents have shot,
00:32:50.468 –> 00:32:52.789
opponents have not taken a crazy amount of
00:32:52.809 –> 00:32:54.150
threes against this zone.
00:32:55.130 –> 00:32:58.732
So that tells you that teams are generally
00:32:58.792 –> 00:33:00.833
not getting suckered into that trap.
00:33:01.333 –> 00:33:03.735
Michigan State needs to similarly avoid
00:33:03.795 –> 00:33:04.135
that.
00:33:04.515 –> 00:33:06.156
You don’t want to get three happy.
00:33:06.196 –> 00:33:07.576
If they’re good looks there, yeah,
00:33:07.616 –> 00:33:07.997
take them.
00:33:08.577 –> 00:33:10.258
They’re shooting the ball reasonably well,
00:33:10.318 –> 00:33:11.018
so why not?
00:33:11.378 –> 00:33:12.679
But you don’t want to go crazy.
00:33:14.776 –> 00:33:15.316
Yeah,
00:33:16.137 –> 00:33:17.698
I think it’s sort of people always assume
00:33:17.738 –> 00:33:18.698
that the only way to beat a zone
00:33:18.738 –> 00:33:19.539
is to shoot over it.
00:33:19.839 –> 00:33:21.160
Yeah, not true.
00:33:21.780 –> 00:33:22.020
Yeah,
00:33:22.140 –> 00:33:24.702
and I think that’s why there’s this
00:33:25.362 –> 00:33:27.344
profound concern with the three-point
00:33:27.364 –> 00:33:27.544
shooting,
00:33:27.584 –> 00:33:29.285
which is less now than it was a
00:33:29.305 –> 00:33:31.646
couple weeks ago.
00:33:32.507 –> 00:33:34.067
How is this zone different?
00:33:34.268 –> 00:33:37.049
I guess there’s playing man,
00:33:37.069 –> 00:33:37.830
there’s playing zone,
00:33:38.290 –> 00:33:39.991
and there’s matchup zone.
00:33:40.051 –> 00:33:40.872
How is that different?
00:33:40.892 –> 00:33:42.032
Or is that kind of like what this
00:33:42.092 –> 00:33:43.153
is, sort of, or some sort of…
00:33:44.687 –> 00:33:45.708
like combination.
00:33:46.989 –> 00:33:49.110
Well, matchup, as I said, matchup zone,
00:33:49.891 –> 00:33:50.972
if you watch it,
00:33:52.012 –> 00:33:55.575
it can look as if there’s there in
00:33:55.655 –> 00:33:58.877
man, but they’re just switching, you know?
00:33:59.318 –> 00:34:01.779
So when people talk about man principles,
00:34:01.859 –> 00:34:04.561
normally in a zone, you are just,
00:34:04.882 –> 00:34:07.443
you are just responsible for your area,
00:34:07.764 –> 00:34:07.984
right?
00:34:08.024 –> 00:34:08.244
Right.
00:34:08.324 –> 00:34:09.585
Right.
00:34:09.845 –> 00:34:09.985
And,
00:34:10.125 –> 00:34:12.727
and matchup is a little bit different
00:34:12.767 –> 00:34:13.508
because you,
00:34:14.088 –> 00:34:15.249
You do see guys,
00:34:15.469 –> 00:34:17.751
what you won’t see is you won’t see
00:34:17.791 –> 00:34:20.512
guys go with a man they’re covering
00:34:20.552 –> 00:34:22.113
regardless of where that player goes on
00:34:22.134 –> 00:34:22.474
the floor.
00:34:22.494 –> 00:34:24.815
They get passed off to somebody,
00:34:24.855 –> 00:34:28.057
but it looks a lot more like man
00:34:28.538 –> 00:34:28.858
that way.
00:34:28.898 –> 00:34:31.120
That’s the primary difference.
00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.022
Um, but as I say, because of that,
00:34:34.862 –> 00:34:36.684
you can run a lot of your, and,
00:34:36.804 –> 00:34:40.447
and truthfully teams can be successful
00:34:40.527 –> 00:34:43.609
running the same stuff against any kind of
00:34:43.669 –> 00:34:45.551
zone that they run against man at times
00:34:45.591 –> 00:34:46.031
as well.
00:34:46.352 –> 00:34:48.834
You will see some of that also, um,
00:34:48.874 –> 00:34:50.575
from teams that do a good job against.
00:34:50.615 –> 00:34:52.557
It’s not like you have to just abandon
00:34:53.057 –> 00:34:55.018
your screening game, for example.
00:34:55.319 –> 00:34:55.639
Right.
00:34:55.879 –> 00:34:56.280
Yeah.
00:34:56.360 –> 00:34:56.800
But yeah.
00:34:58.425 –> 00:34:59.505
Well, I mean, even with a screen,
00:34:59.545 –> 00:35:01.566
just because people are in a playing zone
00:35:01.586 –> 00:35:02.846
doesn’t mean they’re not moving, right?
00:35:02.906 –> 00:35:04.967
And so screens should still be effective
00:35:05.727 –> 00:35:06.247
even in a zone.
00:35:06.267 –> 00:35:07.167
All right,
00:35:07.187 –> 00:35:08.308
so the second key to the game is
00:35:08.368 –> 00:35:09.108
defensive focus.
00:35:09.668 –> 00:35:10.628
Michigan State’s been very good.
00:35:10.748 –> 00:35:12.169
I think they’re, what are they,
00:35:12.189 –> 00:35:13.729
ranked seventh or something in the country
00:35:14.109 –> 00:35:14.669
defensively?
00:35:15.250 –> 00:35:17.170
No, higher than that, aren’t they?
00:35:17.450 –> 00:35:18.430
It’s like fifth, third?
00:35:18.450 –> 00:35:22.512
It’s a little bit…
00:35:22.572 –> 00:35:23.912
Thought they were top five.
00:35:24.955 –> 00:35:25.356
Okay.
00:35:25.396 –> 00:35:26.717
Well, either way,
00:35:26.857 –> 00:35:28.219
the last few games have not felt as
00:35:28.319 –> 00:35:29.460
good.
00:35:29.520 –> 00:35:30.822
They’ve definitely not been as good,
00:35:30.902 –> 00:35:32.323
even though the results are not terrible.
00:35:32.343 –> 00:35:32.523
Okay.
00:35:32.543 –> 00:35:33.164
So fifth.
00:35:33.264 –> 00:35:33.625
All right.
00:35:36.812 –> 00:35:38.733
Yeah.
00:35:38.753 –> 00:35:41.513
I think that we’ve seen some slippage,
00:35:41.573 –> 00:35:44.834
particularly against opposing guards in
00:35:44.854 –> 00:35:45.755
the last two games.
00:35:46.155 –> 00:35:46.415
You know,
00:35:46.495 –> 00:35:50.576
you’ve had Penn State’s freshman point
00:35:50.596 –> 00:35:51.716
guard go off.
00:35:52.056 –> 00:35:54.057
You had Sonny Wilson really go off in
00:35:54.077 –> 00:35:54.817
the last game.
00:35:55.838 –> 00:35:58.438
Michigan State’s defensive focus has not
00:35:58.538 –> 00:36:00.939
been where it was in the first,
00:36:01.219 –> 00:36:01.759
you know, eight,
00:36:01.799 –> 00:36:03.760
nine games of the season in the last
00:36:03.800 –> 00:36:04.040
two.
00:36:04.080 –> 00:36:04.320
Right.
00:36:04.480 –> 00:36:06.485
So you want and again, Oakland,
00:36:06.645 –> 00:36:08.449
a lot of their production comes from their
00:36:08.510 –> 00:36:09.291
perimeter guys.
00:36:09.853 –> 00:36:11.216
So particularly their point guard.
00:36:11.617 –> 00:36:13.882
So you want to see improvement there.
00:36:16.769 –> 00:36:18.290
Third key to the game, the boards.
00:36:18.370 –> 00:36:18.891
We should say,
00:36:19.551 –> 00:36:21.333
after not looking quite as good,
00:36:22.013 –> 00:36:23.154
although I guess the numbers were okay
00:36:23.174 –> 00:36:23.775
against Penn State,
00:36:23.795 –> 00:36:25.276
we kind of commented that it seems that
00:36:25.296 –> 00:36:26.417
they were sort of empty offensive
00:36:26.437 –> 00:36:26.757
rebounds,
00:36:26.937 –> 00:36:28.759
definitely did a lot of damage to Toledo
00:36:29.039 –> 00:36:29.579
on both ends.
00:36:30.100 –> 00:36:31.541
They really prevented Toledo having any
00:36:31.601 –> 00:36:32.302
second opportunities,
00:36:32.342 –> 00:36:33.422
and they had tons of,
00:36:33.443 –> 00:36:35.644
that way they had like twenty-three points
00:36:35.684 –> 00:36:38.206
or something like that off of offensive
00:36:38.226 –> 00:36:40.208
rebounds, or I guess eighteen rebounds.
00:36:40.368 –> 00:36:42.430
no yeah it was uh seventeen points
00:36:42.450 –> 00:36:43.971
seventeen points so seventeen to five edge
00:36:43.991 –> 00:36:45.212
so anyway it’s a big part of michigan
00:36:45.232 –> 00:36:47.494
state’s game it’s nice to keep them to
00:36:47.534 –> 00:36:49.716
try and keep that that habit going as
00:36:49.736 –> 00:36:51.158
you had it getting ready heading into big
00:36:51.198 –> 00:36:51.538
ten play
00:36:52.332 –> 00:36:52.432
Well,
00:36:52.452 –> 00:36:54.173
I thought they had two substandard games
00:36:54.213 –> 00:36:54.633
in a row.
00:36:54.653 –> 00:36:56.074
They were not good against Duke.
00:36:57.054 –> 00:36:59.495
And despite what the numbers said,
00:36:59.515 –> 00:37:01.016
I think they were great against Penn
00:37:01.036 –> 00:37:01.376
State.
00:37:01.756 –> 00:37:01.896
Yeah.
00:37:01.936 –> 00:37:03.177
But they were against Toledo.
00:37:03.497 –> 00:37:04.237
They were dominant.
00:37:04.617 –> 00:37:05.337
And here’s the thing.
00:37:05.377 –> 00:37:07.278
Toledo just played Oakland a few weeks
00:37:07.318 –> 00:37:07.578
ago.
00:37:07.979 –> 00:37:08.159
Right.
00:37:08.199 –> 00:37:11.220
And Toledo pounded Oakland on the glass.
00:37:11.700 –> 00:37:15.262
So there is no excuse for Michigan State
00:37:15.342 –> 00:37:17.563
not absolutely owning the boards in this
00:37:17.603 –> 00:37:18.223
game.
00:37:18.303 –> 00:37:18.543
None.
00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:21.163
I suppose it’s important to point out that
00:37:21.223 –> 00:37:22.666
Oakland beat Toledo.
00:37:22.846 –> 00:37:23.948
So by transitive properties,
00:37:23.988 –> 00:37:25.010
they should be a little bit better than
00:37:25.030 –> 00:37:25.351
Toledo.
00:37:25.892 –> 00:37:28.097
Yeah.
00:37:28.117 –> 00:37:30.361
The number four key to the game is
00:37:30.782 –> 00:37:31.383
the number one.
00:37:33.652 –> 00:37:33.872
Yeah,
00:37:33.932 –> 00:37:37.775
Jeremy Fears has had an outstanding season
00:37:37.835 –> 00:37:38.275
to date.
00:37:38.295 –> 00:37:39.516
I mean, there’s no debating that,
00:37:39.556 –> 00:37:40.357
how good he’s been.
00:37:40.997 –> 00:37:42.198
But his last two games,
00:37:42.538 –> 00:37:44.039
and I think you can look at the
00:37:44.059 –> 00:37:45.200
team and say the team,
00:37:45.500 –> 00:37:47.721
the last two games have been substandard,
00:37:47.741 –> 00:37:49.703
and it’s not a coincidence that when he’s
00:37:49.763 –> 00:37:50.523
not at his best,
00:37:50.563 –> 00:37:51.824
the team’s not at their best.
00:37:53.425 –> 00:37:54.946
As we were talking about before,
00:37:55.046 –> 00:37:57.108
more typical defense from him would
00:37:57.148 –> 00:37:57.768
certainly help,
00:37:57.828 –> 00:37:59.910
but I would argue he needs to pick
00:37:59.950 –> 00:38:01.671
it back up offensively also.
00:38:04.593 –> 00:38:06.554
he’s not shot the ball particularly well
00:38:06.594 –> 00:38:08.715
the last three games going back to Duke.
00:38:09.335 –> 00:38:09.995
Yep.
00:38:10.155 –> 00:38:11.876
I think in particular,
00:38:12.497 –> 00:38:15.238
the Toledo game in that second half,
00:38:15.999 –> 00:38:20.821
he was a little bit unfocused and sloppy
00:38:21.201 –> 00:38:22.082
running the offense,
00:38:22.102 –> 00:38:23.643
which is something we have not seen.
00:38:24.283 –> 00:38:27.685
So I just think in an overall game
00:38:27.765 –> 00:38:29.926
sense, we need to see Jeremy get back.
00:38:32.143 –> 00:38:32.744
Yeah, I agree.
00:38:33.204 –> 00:38:34.145
I think the one thing you can say
00:38:34.165 –> 00:38:34.886
that he has been,
00:38:35.346 –> 00:38:36.847
even in this time when he’s not been
00:38:36.867 –> 00:38:37.248
shooting as well,
00:38:37.268 –> 00:38:38.168
is he has been very good at the
00:38:38.188 –> 00:38:38.729
free throw line.
00:38:38.769 –> 00:38:40.030
That’s sort of where he’s picking up most
00:38:40.050 –> 00:38:42.292
of his points.
00:38:43.053 –> 00:38:43.553
Even there,
00:38:44.274 –> 00:38:46.295
two for four down the stretch against Penn
00:38:46.335 –> 00:38:46.736
State.
00:38:47.162 –> 00:38:47.542
That’s true.
00:38:47.623 –> 00:38:48.063
Slippage.
00:38:48.463 –> 00:38:49.525
Yeah, that’s true.
00:38:50.205 –> 00:38:50.566
All right.
00:38:50.586 –> 00:38:51.467
So the fifth and final key of the
00:38:51.487 –> 00:38:53.289
game is one we talked about quite a
00:38:53.329 –> 00:38:57.433
bit before the last game after Toledo and
00:38:57.613 –> 00:38:59.796
one that I saw a lot of discussion
00:39:00.356 –> 00:39:00.597
both.
00:39:01.518 –> 00:39:01.698
Well,
00:39:01.758 –> 00:39:04.040
in the post post a game show with
00:39:04.341 –> 00:39:05.102
Jim Comperoni,
00:39:05.522 –> 00:39:07.164
but also on smart mag board is the
00:39:07.184 –> 00:39:07.664
rotation.
00:39:08.505 –> 00:39:13.188
And we’ve seen different starting lineups.
00:39:13.368 –> 00:39:14.088
And then, of course,
00:39:14.489 –> 00:39:17.130
the insertion of Divine Iguchukwu into the
00:39:17.210 –> 00:39:19.131
two spot as a starter in the Penn
00:39:19.151 –> 00:39:19.591
State game.
00:39:19.631 –> 00:39:21.012
And then he did it again in the
00:39:21.032 –> 00:39:22.053
last game against Toledo.
00:39:22.813 –> 00:39:24.414
But it has forced distortions in the
00:39:24.434 –> 00:39:25.415
rotation with…
00:39:26.075 –> 00:39:27.096
him not playing all,
00:39:27.116 –> 00:39:27.877
I guess it didn’t force it,
00:39:27.917 –> 00:39:28.397
but it has,
00:39:29.058 –> 00:39:30.759
it has made it so that he’s not
00:39:30.779 –> 00:39:31.399
playing point guard.
00:39:31.460 –> 00:39:33.041
And so the backup point guard duties go
00:39:33.101 –> 00:39:34.202
to Denim logic.
00:39:34.282 –> 00:39:35.743
And there absolutely has to be someone
00:39:35.783 –> 00:39:36.584
playing backup point guard.
00:39:36.624 –> 00:39:37.825
Jeremy cannot play four minutes.
00:39:38.165 –> 00:39:39.006
He’s not Bennett starts,
00:39:39.246 –> 00:39:40.367
especially what you’re asking of him.
00:39:40.427 –> 00:39:42.669
So there’ve been some just rotation
00:39:42.749 –> 00:39:45.591
weirdness.
00:39:45.731 –> 00:39:45.972
Yeah.
00:39:45.992 –> 00:39:47.533
Uh, look, I,
00:39:48.273 –> 00:39:49.735
I spent a lot of time talking about
00:39:49.795 –> 00:39:52.477
this in the Toledo post game and, uh,
00:39:54.465 –> 00:39:54.905
I’m still,
00:39:54.925 –> 00:39:56.086
you and I have a little bit different
00:39:56.126 –> 00:39:56.866
take on this.
00:39:57.186 –> 00:39:58.247
I very,
00:39:58.287 –> 00:40:00.928
very definitely hope that yours is the
00:40:00.968 –> 00:40:03.769
correct one, but I’m not seeing it.
00:40:04.389 –> 00:40:04.889
What I am,
00:40:05.030 –> 00:40:07.731
what I am seeing is talk that leads
00:40:07.791 –> 00:40:09.411
me to talk and action,
00:40:09.852 –> 00:40:13.413
both that lead me to think that,
00:40:13.673 –> 00:40:16.135
They believe that what we’ve seen the last
00:40:16.175 –> 00:40:19.958
couple games is the way they want to
00:40:19.998 –> 00:40:20.639
go forward.
00:40:21.680 –> 00:40:22.580
And if that’s the case,
00:40:22.680 –> 00:40:23.841
I have problems with that.
00:40:23.901 –> 00:40:25.623
But it doesn’t matter what my problems
00:40:25.683 –> 00:40:25.803
are.
00:40:26.343 –> 00:40:27.604
I think they’re going to have problems
00:40:27.644 –> 00:40:28.405
winning games.
00:40:29.185 –> 00:40:29.426
Right.
00:40:29.606 –> 00:40:30.326
Playing that way.
00:40:31.227 –> 00:40:34.029
Because you can’t – to say that you’re
00:40:34.069 –> 00:40:36.191
going to do that for a quarter of
00:40:36.231 –> 00:40:38.073
the game –
00:40:37.933 –> 00:40:40.055
In Big Ten games where margins are
00:40:40.095 –> 00:40:41.556
generally tight and all of that,
00:40:41.957 –> 00:40:44.259
can’t have it, can’t have it.
00:40:45.660 –> 00:40:47.082
And I think that’s what they’re getting
00:40:47.122 –> 00:40:48.163
ready to embark on.
00:40:48.343 –> 00:40:49.044
I hope I’m wrong.
00:40:50.078 –> 00:40:51.379
I don’t want to belabor it too much
00:40:51.439 –> 00:40:51.839
more here.
00:40:51.879 –> 00:40:53.279
We spent a lot of time talking about
00:40:53.299 –> 00:40:54.200
it post-Toledo.
00:40:54.960 –> 00:40:56.340
If we see what I think we’re going
00:40:56.360 –> 00:40:56.641
to see,
00:40:56.661 –> 00:40:58.981
we’ll spend a lot more time talking about
00:40:59.041 –> 00:41:00.902
it on Saturday.
00:41:01.822 –> 00:41:02.623
I hope we’re not,
00:41:03.343 –> 00:41:04.644
but I suspect we will be.
00:41:05.724 –> 00:41:09.685
And that’s just how it is.
00:41:09.805 –> 00:41:10.746
I would just say this.
00:41:11.346 –> 00:41:13.027
There are a lot of people out there
00:41:13.067 –> 00:41:14.347
who, and I get this,
00:41:14.807 –> 00:41:17.148
I get this instinct and normally in a,
00:41:17.849 –> 00:41:19.469
in a more normal situation,
00:41:19.589 –> 00:41:21.150
I would be right there agreeing with them
00:41:21.690 –> 00:41:24.491
who are reading this as well.
00:41:24.571 –> 00:41:26.472
Is those upholding standards the way he
00:41:26.532 –> 00:41:29.073
always does with playing time and he’s
00:41:29.193 –> 00:41:32.974
using this as a teaching tool.
00:41:33.014 –> 00:41:36.476
I could buy that if I hadn’t just
00:41:36.516 –> 00:41:38.637
seen divine Nuka Chukwu play zero minutes
00:41:38.717 –> 00:41:39.177
on the ball.
00:41:40.268 –> 00:41:42.350
If he played five minutes like he did
00:41:42.390 –> 00:41:44.691
against Penn State, five, six minutes,
00:41:44.731 –> 00:41:47.213
whatever it was, okay.
00:41:48.314 –> 00:41:49.435
Then I might buy that.
00:41:49.575 –> 00:41:50.335
I might say, all right,
00:41:51.476 –> 00:41:53.558
this is a teaching tool for him and
00:41:53.598 –> 00:41:55.099
probably for some of the guys at the
00:41:55.139 –> 00:41:55.859
two as well.
00:41:56.840 –> 00:41:58.381
But when he plays zero,
00:41:59.362 –> 00:42:00.903
that is saying something else.
00:42:01.303 –> 00:42:02.884
And then I listen to what Izzo says
00:42:02.964 –> 00:42:03.505
after that.
00:42:04.025 –> 00:42:04.566
To me,
00:42:05.006 –> 00:42:07.708
this sounds like he thinks this is the
00:42:07.768 –> 00:42:09.189
solution to what ails them.
00:42:11.041 –> 00:42:12.201
And I don’t understand it.
00:42:13.222 –> 00:42:14.422
Won’t be the first time I didn’t
00:42:14.442 –> 00:42:15.883
understand something he was doing that
00:42:15.923 –> 00:42:16.663
turned out right.
00:42:17.163 –> 00:42:20.085
But, but normally I do find my,
00:42:20.145 –> 00:42:21.325
this is a rarity for me.
00:42:21.385 –> 00:42:23.626
I normally do find myself in a position
00:42:24.026 –> 00:42:25.447
where I can understand,
00:42:25.907 –> 00:42:27.328
even if it looks strange,
00:42:27.488 –> 00:42:32.370
I can see the reason I can’t hear.
00:42:32.530 –> 00:42:33.030
I can’t.
00:42:34.207 –> 00:42:34.807
But we’ll see.
00:42:34.888 –> 00:42:35.808
We’ll see what happens.
00:42:36.228 –> 00:42:37.710
It’s going to be a popular topic of
00:42:37.750 –> 00:42:38.870
discussion no matter what.
00:42:39.171 –> 00:42:40.372
And that’s the thing that’s most
00:42:40.412 –> 00:42:43.774
frustrating to me about that is from where
00:42:43.854 –> 00:42:44.394
I was sitting,
00:42:44.595 –> 00:42:46.116
I don’t see the necessity for it.
00:42:46.896 –> 00:42:47.857
I don’t see why.
00:42:49.298 –> 00:42:49.939
To me,
00:42:50.939 –> 00:42:54.282
Uguchukwu was looking mostly like what I
00:42:54.322 –> 00:42:55.202
expected him to.
00:42:55.262 –> 00:42:57.584
Kind of up and down, but learning.
00:42:59.045 –> 00:43:00.967
There’s something there that he doesn’t
00:43:01.027 –> 00:43:01.327
like.
00:43:02.523 –> 00:43:03.403
Not about the player.
00:43:03.503 –> 00:43:05.564
Cause obviously he’s starting him now.
00:43:05.844 –> 00:43:08.624
So you could argue Uka Chukwu’s role has
00:43:08.664 –> 00:43:09.144
increased,
00:43:09.204 –> 00:43:11.865
but specifically him on the ball.
00:43:12.265 –> 00:43:15.245
There’s something that is always troubled
00:43:15.265 –> 00:43:17.326
by to the point that he’s going this
00:43:17.426 –> 00:43:21.506
route and I don’t see it,
00:43:21.806 –> 00:43:24.067
but doesn’t matter what I think.
00:43:24.727 –> 00:43:26.647
So we’ll see what happens.
00:43:27.668 –> 00:43:28.568
Yeah, no, I agree.
00:43:28.588 –> 00:43:29.088
It’s puzzling.
00:43:29.208 –> 00:43:29.968
It, uh,
00:43:31.004 –> 00:43:32.525
Well, I’m still of the hope.
00:43:32.885 –> 00:43:34.126
I guess maybe it’s more hope than
00:43:34.426 –> 00:43:34.706
anything.
00:43:34.846 –> 00:43:36.147
And I just know that it’s what tinkers
00:43:36.187 –> 00:43:36.447
and stuff.
00:43:36.487 –> 00:43:38.808
But you’re right that Wojcik played all
00:43:38.828 –> 00:43:41.570
the points or the minutes on the ball.
00:43:42.631 –> 00:43:47.794
And I also don’t understand.
00:43:48.194 –> 00:43:49.294
I don’t understand what they’re seeing in
00:43:49.334 –> 00:43:51.075
film that we’re not seeing live.
00:43:52.156 –> 00:43:52.496
I don’t know.
00:43:52.596 –> 00:43:54.097
Well, I just, I think back,
00:43:54.137 –> 00:43:56.579
especially to the Penn state game.
00:43:57.219 –> 00:43:58.840
And I think what in that game did
00:43:58.880 –> 00:44:00.661
not tell you that again,
00:44:00.701 –> 00:44:02.162
this is not a knock on denim.
00:44:02.202 –> 00:44:03.984
Wojcik is he’s a smart guy.
00:44:04.044 –> 00:44:05.184
We talked to him in the summer.
00:44:05.565 –> 00:44:06.565
He’s a smart player.
00:44:06.625 –> 00:44:07.566
Kid went to Harvard.
00:44:09.187 –> 00:44:10.908
Um, he’s a smart player.
00:44:11.368 –> 00:44:13.329
And I think his want to level is
00:44:13.369 –> 00:44:13.970
very high.
00:44:14.050 –> 00:44:15.451
It’s not about any of that.
00:44:16.531 –> 00:44:17.412
It’s it physically.
00:44:17.572 –> 00:44:18.853
I don’t think he can do it.
00:44:19.918 –> 00:44:20.598
At this level,
00:44:21.038 –> 00:44:22.659
I saw him on a couple of plays,
00:44:23.039 –> 00:44:25.700
absolutely swallowed up by Penn State’s
00:44:25.740 –> 00:44:26.520
pick and roll game.
00:44:26.540 –> 00:44:27.561
And I thought, that’s it.
00:44:28.621 –> 00:44:29.401
If you can’t,
00:44:29.722 –> 00:44:32.102
if you can’t physically hold up against
00:44:32.183 –> 00:44:36.644
that, that’s end of story defensively.
00:44:37.464 –> 00:44:38.865
And just to make sure we’re clear,
00:44:38.925 –> 00:44:40.005
I know a lot of people get hung
00:44:40.045 –> 00:44:41.566
up on all the offense bogs down.
00:44:42.088 –> 00:44:43.969
I don’t think that’s necessarily true.
00:44:44.569 –> 00:44:44.750
Yeah.
00:44:44.850 –> 00:44:46.631
I think they can survive because I’ve seen
00:44:46.691 –> 00:44:48.912
enough of the team function when he’s been
00:44:48.992 –> 00:44:51.553
out there this season that I think
00:44:51.733 –> 00:44:53.354
offensively it’s okay.
00:44:53.715 –> 00:44:56.096
It’s not ideal, but it’s okay.
00:44:56.956 –> 00:44:58.217
It’s the defensive end.
00:44:58.297 –> 00:44:59.698
I do not understand.
00:45:01.317 –> 00:45:01.977
I don’t get it.
00:45:02.418 –> 00:45:04.518
And, and I, it, it’s harder to understand.
00:45:04.538 –> 00:45:05.059
Look, I said,
00:45:05.079 –> 00:45:06.800
we’re going to talk much more about it.
00:45:06.860 –> 00:45:09.441
Here we are, but I needed you.
00:45:09.701 –> 00:45:11.622
I, I,
00:45:11.662 –> 00:45:13.002
it’s especially difficult for me to
00:45:13.062 –> 00:45:16.004
understand because we all know Tom Izzo
00:45:16.024 –> 00:45:16.964
makes decisions.
00:45:17.224 –> 00:45:20.145
The starting point is who can you guard?
00:45:20.926 –> 00:45:22.166
That’s where it starts.
00:45:22.787 –> 00:45:25.708
And, and to, to see this have, I,
00:45:25.768 –> 00:45:28.069
it doesn’t make any sense to me,
00:45:28.849 –> 00:45:29.910
but again, that doesn’t matter.
00:45:31.326 –> 00:45:31.446
Right.
00:45:31.466 –> 00:45:32.607
The guy on the sideline is going to
00:45:32.627 –> 00:45:34.067
make he’s going to coach his team.
00:45:34.427 –> 00:45:35.368
As he said before,
00:45:35.388 –> 00:45:36.668
he’s going to do what he thinks is
00:45:36.708 –> 00:45:37.048
best.
00:45:37.529 –> 00:45:38.469
And I hope he’s right.
00:45:39.169 –> 00:45:41.450
I hope I’m sitting here for whatever
00:45:41.530 –> 00:45:43.891
reason, two weeks from now saying, boy,
00:45:43.911 –> 00:45:45.252
that was a waste of time that we
00:45:45.272 –> 00:45:46.892
got all exercised about that.
00:45:47.993 –> 00:45:49.073
But I’m worried about it.
00:45:49.654 –> 00:45:50.474
I absolutely am.
00:45:51.687 –> 00:45:52.928
Well, and there’s a lot of,
00:45:53.629 –> 00:45:54.490
there are a lot of people who feel
00:45:54.510 –> 00:45:55.651
your way and are trying to,
00:45:55.671 –> 00:45:58.073
I don’t want to say grasping for straws,
00:45:58.153 –> 00:46:00.375
but I think looking for explanations for
00:46:00.395 –> 00:46:02.257
why this happened and, you know,
00:46:02.297 –> 00:46:04.239
the term nepotism, you know,
00:46:04.279 –> 00:46:05.700
that he selected because Doug Wojcik is
00:46:05.760 –> 00:46:06.501
the associate coach.
00:46:06.781 –> 00:46:08.423
He’s, you know, and then.
00:46:08.603 –> 00:46:08.843
Oh yeah.
00:46:08.863 –> 00:46:10.365
The nepotism stuff is ridiculous.
00:46:10.485 –> 00:46:11.105
I don’t buy into any of that.
00:46:11.125 –> 00:46:11.726
Yeah.
00:46:11.986 –> 00:46:12.307
I don’t either.
00:46:14.228 –> 00:46:15.348
I do think that’s partly why he’s on
00:46:15.368 –> 00:46:16.949
the team, not for nepotism reasons,
00:46:16.989 –> 00:46:18.710
but because there’s a familiarity with him
00:46:18.790 –> 00:46:19.350
and the team.
00:46:19.830 –> 00:46:20.551
He was around.
00:46:21.031 –> 00:46:21.831
He was moneyball.
00:46:21.931 –> 00:46:23.772
And so that’s why they brought him in,
00:46:23.792 –> 00:46:25.173
because they kind of know who he is,
00:46:25.233 –> 00:46:27.334
and it made sense for the backup backup.
00:46:27.974 –> 00:46:29.555
But that’s the thing.
00:46:29.935 –> 00:46:32.736
I was all for it and actually enthusiastic
00:46:32.756 –> 00:46:34.757
about it when you’re talking about him and
00:46:34.777 –> 00:46:36.338
the role of insurance policy.
00:46:36.358 –> 00:46:37.879
Because here’s the thing.
00:46:39.260 –> 00:46:41.002
If they were for some reason to get
00:46:41.082 –> 00:46:43.545
down to him having to play a major
00:46:43.606 –> 00:46:45.127
role, okay,
00:46:45.147 –> 00:46:47.050
if you’re down to your third point guard,
00:46:47.550 –> 00:46:48.271
you’re in trouble.
00:46:48.311 –> 00:46:50.254
It doesn’t matter who that is.
00:46:50.914 –> 00:46:52.657
Unless it was a weird thing like Michigan
00:46:52.697 –> 00:46:54.078
State last year where they happened to
00:46:54.138 –> 00:46:54.499
have
00:46:55.652 –> 00:46:57.433
a number of guys who could have filled
00:46:57.493 –> 00:46:59.033
in that role pretty solidly.
00:46:59.593 –> 00:47:01.014
They had at least three, you know,
00:47:01.074 –> 00:47:03.255
Jace Richardson was the third point guard.
00:47:03.875 –> 00:47:05.135
That’s not normal.
00:47:05.475 –> 00:47:08.916
You don’t see that very with, uh, with,
00:47:08.976 –> 00:47:09.997
with college teams.
00:47:10.577 –> 00:47:12.858
So they would be in trouble anyway, but,
00:47:12.878 –> 00:47:14.979
uh, well, at least, you know,
00:47:15.119 –> 00:47:16.439
if you’ve got to ride it out,
00:47:16.479 –> 00:47:17.839
say you had to ride it out for
00:47:17.879 –> 00:47:19.300
two or three games, uh,
00:47:19.935 –> 00:47:20.135
Yeah,
00:47:20.175 –> 00:47:22.316
you’re going to suffer some defensively,
00:47:22.677 –> 00:47:24.137
but offensively you might be able to
00:47:24.177 –> 00:47:24.658
survive it.
00:47:24.698 –> 00:47:26.339
Maybe you can steal a couple of those
00:47:26.359 –> 00:47:26.599
games.
00:47:26.879 –> 00:47:28.460
It made sense for me on that level,
00:47:28.480 –> 00:47:30.921
but if you’re talking about this is the
00:47:30.981 –> 00:47:34.423
plan, full strength, this is the plan,
00:47:35.504 –> 00:47:36.684
that I don’t understand.
00:47:37.585 –> 00:47:39.286
And it’s got nothing to do with nepotism,
00:47:39.586 –> 00:47:42.347
for the record, zero.
00:47:42.367 –> 00:47:44.128
They’re doing this because for whatever
00:47:44.188 –> 00:47:46.250
reason they think this is the best thing
00:47:46.290 –> 00:47:46.750
for the team.
00:47:46.770 –> 00:47:48.431
They’re not doing it to make Doug Wojcik
00:47:48.451 –> 00:47:48.771
happy.
00:47:50.006 –> 00:47:50.506
Well, right.
00:47:51.467 –> 00:47:52.968
It’s not like Doug Wojcik is in charge
00:47:52.988 –> 00:47:55.089
of the substitution that maybe he, I mean,
00:47:55.149 –> 00:47:56.769
I don’t know, maybe he’s the one.
00:47:56.809 –> 00:47:57.070
Well, he is.
00:47:57.090 –> 00:47:57.270
No, he is.
00:47:57.310 –> 00:47:58.750
But it’s not like he’s slipping him in
00:47:58.770 –> 00:48:00.031
and like Izzo doesn’t notice.
00:48:00.391 –> 00:48:01.072
They’re like, oh.
00:48:01.112 –> 00:48:02.612
Yeah, Izzo talked about it.
00:48:03.893 –> 00:48:05.354
Izzo said it is postgame.
00:48:06.074 –> 00:48:07.575
He said he and Doug Wojcik,
00:48:07.995 –> 00:48:08.995
before that game,
00:48:10.036 –> 00:48:11.396
he said it was like old times.
00:48:11.436 –> 00:48:13.557
They went over and went through the
00:48:13.597 –> 00:48:14.157
rotation.
00:48:14.177 –> 00:48:15.858
They went through the substitution pattern
00:48:16.118 –> 00:48:16.518
together.
00:48:16.838 –> 00:48:17.078
Yeah,
00:48:17.299 –> 00:48:18.899
if anybody thinks that Doug Wojcik is
00:48:18.959 –> 00:48:21.040
making decisions that override what Tom
00:48:21.100 –> 00:48:22.901
Izzo wants, please.
00:48:23.961 –> 00:48:26.182
No, it’s got nothing to do with nepotism.
00:48:26.942 –> 00:48:29.323
It’s got to do with them thinking this
00:48:29.363 –> 00:48:31.083
player for whatever their reasons are.
00:48:31.683 –> 00:48:32.904
And I think he’s alluded to them.
00:48:33.584 –> 00:48:35.284
He spent a lot of time talking about
00:48:35.945 –> 00:48:37.785
he needs a guy out there who’s going
00:48:37.805 –> 00:48:38.545
to be vocal,
00:48:38.965 –> 00:48:40.486
get his team into the offense,
00:48:40.526 –> 00:48:42.006
and he doesn’t have anybody else other
00:48:42.026 –> 00:48:43.627
than Jeremy fears that does that.
00:48:44.467 –> 00:48:47.208
That I would bet based on what we
00:48:47.248 –> 00:48:49.448
know right now is what’s driving this.
00:48:50.048 –> 00:48:51.689
But man, I just.
00:48:53.775 –> 00:48:57.138
I don’t think that’s enough of a reason
00:48:57.178 –> 00:48:59.460
to go this way, but not my team.
00:49:00.321 –> 00:49:02.243
So we’ll see.
00:49:02.303 –> 00:49:02.823
Yeah.
00:49:02.883 –> 00:49:04.024
Well, and the other thing, of course,
00:49:04.044 –> 00:49:04.445
is that we,
00:49:04.545 –> 00:49:06.447
and we talked about this at some length
00:49:06.467 –> 00:49:07.007
before too,
00:49:07.087 –> 00:49:09.289
is that it’s not like the options of
00:49:09.309 –> 00:49:10.110
the two are bad.
00:49:10.490 –> 00:49:11.331
It’s just that no one was,
00:49:11.852 –> 00:49:13.413
no one was carving out an obvious role
00:49:13.433 –> 00:49:14.934
that they were the, they were, you know,
00:49:15.655 –> 00:49:16.995
Head and shoulders above all the other
00:49:17.555 –> 00:49:18.816
players who potentially play shooting
00:49:18.836 –> 00:49:19.396
guard.
00:49:19.576 –> 00:49:21.156
This is the kind of stuff Tom Izzo
00:49:21.176 –> 00:49:23.096
doesn’t like, but I think it’s true.
00:49:23.596 –> 00:49:25.577
If you go back over the course of
00:49:25.617 –> 00:49:27.197
this season,
00:49:28.517 –> 00:49:32.458
I’m pretty certain that at least one of
00:49:32.998 –> 00:49:35.498
Uchukwu, Scott, Tang,
00:49:35.758 –> 00:49:39.539
or Ford has had a good game in
00:49:39.699 –> 00:49:40.539
every game.
00:49:41.359 –> 00:49:41.539
Yeah.
00:49:41.659 –> 00:49:43.080
They haven’t gone a game where it’s like
00:49:43.500 –> 00:49:44.600
nobody did anything.
00:49:45.310 –> 00:49:45.570
Right.
00:49:45.750 –> 00:49:46.771
Eventually found an answer.
00:49:47.011 –> 00:49:47.571
Yeah.
00:49:48.772 –> 00:49:49.072
Yeah.
00:49:49.632 –> 00:49:52.253
And so, yeah, I, again,
00:49:52.454 –> 00:49:54.935
I understand he wants somebody to seize
00:49:54.975 –> 00:49:55.095
it.
00:49:56.816 –> 00:49:59.957
I still remain baffled by the fact that
00:49:59.997 –> 00:50:01.638
we are sitting here at this point,
00:50:01.758 –> 00:50:04.179
seeing what we’ve seen and Jordan Scott
00:50:04.199 –> 00:50:06.661
has not gotten a start because to me,
00:50:06.701 –> 00:50:08.401
Jordan Scott is the epitome of everything
00:50:08.461 –> 00:50:09.122
is a wants.
00:50:10.155 –> 00:50:12.015
So why have they not gone that route?
00:50:12.376 –> 00:50:15.356
I thought they were going to before Penn
00:50:15.376 –> 00:50:17.057
State.
00:50:17.377 –> 00:50:18.857
If you’d asked me to put money down,
00:50:18.877 –> 00:50:20.077
that’s how I would have put money down
00:50:20.137 –> 00:50:20.858
was going to start.
00:50:21.878 –> 00:50:23.038
And it didn’t happen.
00:50:25.179 –> 00:50:26.379
But anyway, we’ll see.
00:50:26.739 –> 00:50:28.339
But it’s going to be a hot topic
00:50:28.379 –> 00:50:30.220
of conversation no matter what the results
00:50:30.280 –> 00:50:30.420
are.
00:50:30.600 –> 00:50:31.020
I know that.
00:50:32.165 –> 00:50:34.966
So if we don’t have a starting lineup,
00:50:35.006 –> 00:50:36.046
obviously now it’s Thursday.
00:50:36.066 –> 00:50:37.167
I don’t even know when that gets
00:50:37.207 –> 00:50:37.527
announced.
00:50:37.547 –> 00:50:39.228
Probably a day of or something like that
00:50:39.248 –> 00:50:39.848
before the game.
00:50:39.868 –> 00:50:43.709
But if suddenly there’s someone else
00:50:43.749 –> 00:50:45.670
starting, let’s say Jordan Scott starts,
00:50:46.350 –> 00:50:47.531
then we pretty much can assume things kind
00:50:47.551 –> 00:50:50.432
of went back to the previous spot, right?
00:50:50.452 –> 00:50:51.972
Where Devine’s playing back at point
00:50:51.992 –> 00:50:52.112
guard.
00:50:52.193 –> 00:50:52.873
I would assume, right?
00:50:52.933 –> 00:50:53.533
It’s not going to be.
00:50:54.113 –> 00:50:56.134
I don’t assume that.
00:50:56.174 –> 00:50:58.415
Why would I assume that?
00:50:58.475 –> 00:51:00.516
Why would we assume that when Tom Izzo
00:51:00.696 –> 00:51:01.296
has said,
00:51:02.301 –> 00:51:03.902
Yeah, I’m trying to.
00:51:03.942 –> 00:51:06.463
He also said we’re trying to simplify
00:51:06.503 –> 00:51:08.404
things for divine by just giving him one
00:51:08.444 –> 00:51:09.665
position to worry about.
00:51:10.005 –> 00:51:11.746
And that position is off the ball.
00:51:12.106 –> 00:51:14.227
And he just played him in a game
00:51:14.527 –> 00:51:15.888
zero minutes at the point.
00:51:16.228 –> 00:51:17.608
Why would I assume this is what I’m
00:51:17.648 –> 00:51:18.189
getting at?
00:51:18.209 –> 00:51:19.129
Yeah, right.
00:51:19.249 –> 00:51:20.930
It’s not just his rhetoric.
00:51:21.270 –> 00:51:23.491
We know Tom Izzo says things he doesn’t
00:51:23.531 –> 00:51:23.891
mean,
00:51:23.991 –> 00:51:25.392
or maybe he thinks he means them at
00:51:25.412 –> 00:51:26.353
the time he’s saying it,
00:51:26.373 –> 00:51:27.473
but he ultimately doesn’t.
00:51:27.793 –> 00:51:28.754
We know that goes on.
00:51:29.551 –> 00:51:30.432
That’s not it.
00:51:31.032 –> 00:51:33.713
It’s the things he said and the things
00:51:33.754 –> 00:51:36.515
he did together.
00:51:37.216 –> 00:51:38.817
I have no reason to think that that
00:51:38.837 –> 00:51:39.657
would be the case.
00:51:40.257 –> 00:51:42.018
If he starts Jordan Scott or say he
00:51:42.078 –> 00:51:44.680
starts Kurt Tang and divine’s coming off
00:51:44.720 –> 00:51:45.841
the bench right now,
00:51:46.141 –> 00:51:47.902
my money is divine’s coming off the bench
00:51:47.922 –> 00:51:50.744
at the two.
00:51:51.104 –> 00:51:52.485
I’ve been given no reason to think
00:51:52.545 –> 00:51:53.185
otherwise.
00:51:53.585 –> 00:51:54.126
Yeah, sure.
00:51:54.226 –> 00:51:54.986
Yeah.
00:51:55.166 –> 00:51:56.767
No, that’s perfectly rational.
00:51:57.307 –> 00:51:58.188
That’s the problem.
00:52:00.714 –> 00:52:02.316
Well, I guess we’ll find out.
00:52:02.336 –> 00:52:03.557
We’ve got two more games before the Big
00:52:03.577 –> 00:52:05.138
Ten season starts in full swing.
00:52:05.298 –> 00:52:05.959
A trip to Lincoln,
00:52:05.999 –> 00:52:07.581
which is increasingly looking like a
00:52:07.721 –> 00:52:10.904
really, really, really challenging game.
00:52:10.964 –> 00:52:13.066
I’m calling my shot right now.
00:52:13.707 –> 00:52:15.408
If they go into that game and they’re
00:52:15.448 –> 00:52:17.170
playing with this rotation,
00:52:17.530 –> 00:52:20.813
they’re going to lose.
00:52:20.853 –> 00:52:23.736
I’m calling my shot.
00:52:23.836 –> 00:52:25.398
Everybody’s going to be pissed off.
00:52:27.148 –> 00:52:27.728
Yeah, for sure.
00:52:27.768 –> 00:52:28.488
Losing Nebraska,
00:52:28.968 –> 00:52:30.769
especially when you have problems like
00:52:30.809 –> 00:52:30.989
that.
00:52:31.809 –> 00:52:31.989
Well,
00:52:32.049 –> 00:52:33.949
we’ll see what happens coming up on
00:52:34.029 –> 00:52:34.409
Saturday.
00:52:34.449 –> 00:52:36.770
We’ll be here live after the game to
00:52:36.810 –> 00:52:38.650
talk about whatever transpired.
00:52:39.470 –> 00:52:40.551
We can even talk a little bit about
00:52:40.591 –> 00:52:41.591
how bad the sweaters were,
00:52:41.671 –> 00:52:43.171
assuming they’re going to wear the ugly
00:52:43.231 –> 00:52:43.651
sweaters again,
00:52:43.671 –> 00:52:45.011
which seems like it’s become a new
00:52:45.092 –> 00:52:45.392
tradition.
00:52:45.672 –> 00:52:46.232
They are.
00:52:46.272 –> 00:52:50.172
They’ve already said Lupe Izzo picked them
00:52:50.293 –> 00:52:50.513
out.
00:52:50.693 –> 00:52:52.273
Izzo made the decision this year.
00:52:53.493 –> 00:52:54.113
Okay.
00:52:54.193 –> 00:52:55.394
According to Greg Campy.
00:52:55.734 –> 00:52:57.575
Yeah.
00:52:57.595 –> 00:52:59.496
So I guess the only question is will
00:52:59.516 –> 00:53:00.357
they be matching or not?
00:53:00.497 –> 00:53:02.258
That was the thing.
00:53:03.438 –> 00:53:04.499
I would think so.
00:53:04.899 –> 00:53:06.260
It seems to be coordinated.
00:53:06.660 –> 00:53:07.981
It seems to be coordinated.
00:53:09.045 –> 00:53:10.405
Yeah, well, Fluppy’s in charge.
00:53:10.825 –> 00:53:10.965
Well,
00:53:11.025 –> 00:53:14.326
any final thoughts about this game coming
00:53:14.406 –> 00:53:14.546
up?
00:53:15.166 –> 00:53:16.207
Nope.
00:53:16.287 –> 00:53:16.587
All right.
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Well, we’ll see everybody then.
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And then, of course, as a reminder again,
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seven p.m.
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on Monday night, the Ask Me Anything.
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You can send emails now to me if
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you’re a paid supporter at eric at
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tffinots.com.
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Otherwise,
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you can jump in on YouTube and just
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drop a super chat.
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which is pretty easy to do apparently on
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YouTube.
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I don’t know.
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I’m not a YouTube guru at this point.
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But we’ll see you then.
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And until next time,
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the Final Four is not on the schedule.
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Go green.