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Early indications are that the Big Ten...might be...just might be...better than we thought?

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RodMSU1968
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Maybe?

Yeah, it's crazy-early to be able to tell all that much. However, I think we got an indication on Friday for sure that the potential top of the league might be pretty good.

We all know what MSU has done, so no need to repeat that here.

IU went into Xavier and came away (barely) with a 2 point win.  Xavier isn't anticipate to be as good as some of their best teams over the past 25 years, but they're considered to be a solid upper middle of the pack Big East team this year.  On top of that, winning in that building is always a tough deal.  Then add in that IU hasn't done anything recently to justify viewing ANY road win like this as a ho-hum affair.  I still have questions about the guard play, and late in that game it was again highly suspect...Xavier Johnson, to me, is the veritable king of empty stats.  His numbers will consistently look fine to very good but when you watch him play, especially in late game situations, it's another story.  Everyone knows about TJD and they've got enough around him down low to be a load in the paint.  It's going to come down to guard play (again).  Johnson as the decision  maker is a question mark and 4-12 from 3 doesn't yet suggest that their shooting woes of the past 4-5 years has necessarily been solved.  Still, the bottom line is that's a road win against a quality opponent in a tough environment.

Illinois was, to me, THE mystery team entering the season because of the massive turnover in their roster.  On paper, they looked to have real potential but that's a lot of new faces to work into a lineup, and then they lost one of the returnees who would have played a big role in Goode.  They were down 9 at the half in Vegas against UCLA but then turned it up behind pressure defense (forced 15 TOs, many in the second half) and an insane shooting night from Shannon Jr. to pick up a top 10 neutral court win.  I still think there's a bunch of TBD about this team (they had 21 turnovers for starters, which will be a problem if that continues to be that kind of issue...and it might, with young guards and a lack of familiarity in general), but I have to admit, this was an impressive win I didn't see them getting.  They get Virginia today in the championship game of that event and that will be a stiff test...UVa just took out Baylor with a second half run of its own.  Homecourt games against Syracuse and especially Texas also loom before Big Ten play kicks in for good in January, so they have a few more opportunities to show exactly how seriously they should be taken.

Maryland is intriguing to me.  New coach and some transfer guards but not much in the way of high level expectations.  They're 4-0 and though they don't have any wins quite like the first three teams we mentioned, they did just absolutely wax a Saint Louis team that's expected to contend for the A10 title and to be a Tournament team. They get Miami today and then have home games against Tennessee and UCLA in December, but considering that few if any had the Terps as a Tournament quality team coming into the season, they at least rate as a mild surprise thus far.

Iowa is expected to push for another Tournament bid but might they be underrated as well? They blew out a Seton Hall team expected to at least be a bubble candidate and mid level Big East squad in a road game, so that was a good early indicator.  They'll get Duke and Iowa State at home and maybe a neutral court game against TCU next week, but so far, so good for the Hawks.

 

Teams like Purdue and OSU and Wisconsin haven't really played anyone significant yet (Wisconsin beat Stanford by 10, but I'm not sure how big a win that really is at this stage) but they'll have chances coming up soon to prove their worth.

Maybe the biggest factor is that as we see teams playing from all around the country, one starts to perhaps reach the conclusion that there really aren't any true heavyweights out there.  That alone might help the Big Ten in terms of perception.

 
Posted : 20/11/2022 5:41 am
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I am glad to see the conference doing better than many anticipated, but I am not at all upset that Michigan is not living up to some of its preseason hype. 

 
Posted : 20/11/2022 1:32 pm
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I think the key right now is you're not seeing many losses in the league even amongst the lower tier teams like Northwestern. A year we'd have to worry would include head scratching losses at home and at a minimum, the Big Ten is taking care of business there. We should know a whole lot more by the start of Big Ten play in two weeks. 

 
Posted : 20/11/2022 2:22 pm
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Posted by: @rodmsu1968

Illinois was, to me, THE mystery team entering the season because of the massive turnover in their roster.  On paper, they looked to have real potential but that's a lot of new faces to work into a lineup, and then they lost one of the returnees who would have played a big role in Goode.  They were down 9 at the half in Vegas against UCLA but then turned it up behind pressure defense (forced 15 TOs, many in the second half) and an insane shooting night from Shannon Jr. to pick up a top 10 neutral court win.  I still think there's a bunch of TBD about this team (they had 21 turnovers for starters, which will be a problem if that continues to be that kind of issue...and it might, with young guards and a lack of familiarity in general), but I have to admit, this was an impressive win I didn't see them getting.  They get Virginia today in the championship game of that event and that will be a stiff test...UVa just took out Baylor with a second half run of its own.  Homecourt games against Syracuse and especially Texas also loom before Big Ten play kicks in for good in January, so they have a few more opportunities to show exactly how seriously they should be taken.

 

What was that pressure that Illinois put on? They did a little 3/4 diamond but they also appeared to me that they had a full court man and brought up one of their bigs that double in the backcourt ... ??

 

 
Posted : 20/11/2022 5:05 pm
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@spartanironman they varied it. Not quite the full tilt nonsense Underwood played when he first got there but definitely some real, honest pressure.  I’m not sure that’ll work in conference play as a standard approach…scouting and guard play is generally too good for that…but will be interesting to see if he continues to utilize it at times.  I will say, this is probably closer to the way he wants to play than what we’ve seen over the last three years.  Cockburn changed a lot in that regard.  This seems closer to the heart of who Underwood is as a coach.

 
Posted : 20/11/2022 7:39 pm
RodMSU1968
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Very little pressure today from the Illini. More respect for UVA’s guards?  

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 12:21 am
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